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Diver9

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Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« on: November 15, 2023, 03:50:48 pm »
Hello All,

I found this forum on a referral. Long story short-I may have found a crashed Rockwell 1121 and I need a Parts manual for further ID. Service manual as well if available. Site is a mess as expected and I do not have all of the site-more to be found.

FAA information about the plane in question has differing info-in one place it's a Jet Commander and another and Aero Commander. I see no material difference as it pertains to my purposes-identification. No N-number found yet.

Can anyone help me get any manual for the Rockwell 1121? It's important. I cannot post too much about this find at the moment but will post lots more once I nail down what I have.

Thank you in advance.

donv

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2023, 05:02:30 pm »
I have the flight manual and training manuals for the 1121, but not the maintenance manual. What, specifically, do you want to know?

Unfortunately, I won't be able to access my 1121 manuals until next week, but I could scan a page or two.

Given your screen name, I'm assuming it's under water? The differences between an 1121 and any other Commander would be pretty obvious, starting with the fact that the 1121 is a jet, so if it has props, it's not an 1121... and the 1121 is mid-wing, the others are all high wing. And the engines on the 1121 are located at the back of the airplane.
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Diver9

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2023, 03:57:49 pm »
I post some images that may help. One that makes me wonder is of a pulley & cable affair. I say this because I assume-perhaps incorrectly-that a 1121 would likely use hydraulics and/or electric motors to move something. Just my theory.

The stenciling says something about "Shear Pin".

The piece with the seatbelt-like strapping also has me wondering.

Any help appreciated. Once we have nailed down what we have I will post alot more detail here.

Thank you.

Diver9

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2023, 04:01:56 pm »
2 more. I tried 4 at once but it didn't go.

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2023, 04:03:34 pm »
Another.

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2023, 04:06:25 pm »
Last one.

donv

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2023, 06:12:35 pm »
Hard for me to tell from those pictures. The stencilling looks military to me-- I don't recall anything like that on either the 1121 or normal Commanders of that era. The most obvious clue would be to look for props.

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2023, 04:24:20 pm »
Yes we will look for the obvious and not-so-obvious as we continue to film this 1st debris field and then the 2nd debris field. So far no bell ringers like a prop, jet engine, nose with windshield, N-Number etc., except for one piece of wing.

Does anyone have any idea what, in the 4th image down, is the deal with the nylon, seat-belt-like straps on the end of what looks like a cylindrical housing of sorts?

I used my mouse to enlarge the images.

Thanks.

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2024, 07:27:41 am »
Yes we found the Rockwell. 2 planes actually and we are mystified as to what the first plane is about-the one with images posted to this forum.

I attach a sonar image-one of many-of the Rockwell-I captured with my EdgeTech 4125-P side scan sonar unit.

Great hunt-great results.

Working now on the 1st plane for an ID.

HH

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2024, 08:29:11 pm »
Congratulations on the find!

RIP to those on board.


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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2024, 11:34:06 pm »
I really feel for those guys. A gyro, or more likely a LH AC electrical failure at night, over the water, bumping around in the snow at night... a nightmare scenario. About 30 seconds to live, I would guess, if that.

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2024, 01:35:58 am »
It's like that Citation that took off a few years back, made a right turn out over the lake at night and augered in with everyone onboard. So sad.
Slumming it in the turboprop world - so you don't have to.

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Re: Important: I need Rockwell 1121 Parts and/or Service manual
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2024, 09:08:28 pm »
The CJ4 that you are mentioning was, I believe, flown by an owner-pilot who had just gotten his type rating and was maybe on his first or second flight by himself-- single pilot. Basically, he thought he had engaged the autopilot, but had only engaged the yaw damper. Then he let go of the controls and started fiddling with the FMS.

The PIC of the Jet Commander had almost 10,000 hours and about 700 in type. I don't know much about the copilot. So I doubt it was the same situation-- most likely I would think gyro failure, but an AC failure or spatial disorientation is also a possibility. Since this was before the advent of the CVR, we'll never know.

They had a radar hit at 5,000 feet. A light 1121 could easily climb to 5,000 feet in 90 seconds or less. If they attitude indicator failed and he rolled the wrong way, he could have done a split-s into the lake in 30 seconds or less.

The autopilots in those airplanes were fine for the era, but not great by today's standards. With an experienced crew, I would guess they were hand flying, although a failed gyro would also cause autopilot issues, and I don't recall what warning or disconnect features it had. I do know this was before the little standby gyros were required, so he would have only had left and right attitude indicators.
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