What's the deal with this 690A?

[Adam Frisch]

Price doesn't compute with those engine hours. Does anybody know the deal with this one?

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Turboprop&make=COMMANDER&model=690A&listing_id=2180607&s-type=aircraft

[donv]

Hard to say. It looks like it's due for hot section shortly on one engine (maybe both?), and on 690s there are plenty of things which could be issues. Or, it could be a bargain. Someone who is very familiar with Commanders needs to look at it to figure out if it's a bargain, or a money pit...

[SKYFLYER]

It is N17HF and has been for sale a couple of other times in the past year I think.
Aircraft needs just about every thing done to be air worthy (gear, props, all SB's and hot sections) has not flown since early 2013 but has logs. Last year est was $280 to 300 and it still has -5's

[ghancock]

Yeah, I'd say it has something major wrong with it if it is not selling for that price. :-)  Would love to see logbooks and last annual and wing inspection.

Glenn

[Adam Frisch]

OK, Skyflyer - good to know.

That means gear inspection around $5K (or $15K for a gear overhaul if the time's up). It means prop inspection or overhaul, which can be anything between $3K to $25K, probably. The aft bulkhead pressure vessel AD is $60K (if that hasn't been done - do you know?), the hot sections are about $60K/each, probably. And if it doesn't have the spar mod, that needs to be inspected, which is about $14K.

So lowest estimation (inspections only, all AD's complied with), this plane needs about $25K spent on it to be able to fly until impending HS inspections, which are imminent on one engine. That is still a decent deal. But worst case scenario, doing all of it, it's $234K. Much less of a deal.

[SKYFLYER]

I am pretty sure that the AD/SB241 has NOT been complied with and the spar has not been replaced.  Estimates a year ago were  $280+ as most all time related inspections would be overhaul rather than simple inspection (gear, prop, hots etc). Panel is ok but not sure how much is working (auto pilot, etc) I do not think the 430's are WASS and no ads-b compliance.
Total of maybe 30 hrs flying time for 2012 - 2013 then stashed into the hangar corner. So you would have the bulkhead, spar, and all service time inspections.... plus whatever else is needed to make it a safe commander.

[donv]

I can't imagine $25k could get this airplane airworthy, based on Skyflyer's comments. The ad does mention that one of the wing ADs was complied with, but I'm not up enough on 690s to know what that means.

OK, Skyflyer - good to know.

That means gear inspection around $5K (or $15K for a gear overhaul if the time's up). It means prop inspection or overhaul, which can be anything between $3K to $25K, probably. The aft bulkhead pressure vessel AD is $60K (if that hasn't been done - do you know?), the hot sections are about $60K/each, probably. And if it doesn't have the spar mod, that needs to be inspected, which is about $14K.

So lowest estimation (inspections only, all AD's complied with), this plane needs about $25K spent on it to be able to fly until impending HS inspections, which are imminent on one engine. That is still a decent deal. But worst case scenario, doing all of it, it's $234K. Much less of a deal.

[Adam Frisch]

Yeah, just spoke to Morris. He'd seen it before Xmas. Owner says SB 241 is complied with, but there are no doublers visible, so it's not. He says it's $300K to get airworthy. Sounds about right.

[donv]

It would be a good candidate for a Renaissance. If you have to do that much anyway, might as well go the rest of the way.

[Sergio Vega]

They dropped the price to $85,000. Is it worth it?

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Turboprop&make=COMMANDER&model=690A&listing_id=2204032&s-type=aircraft

[donv]

I think I'd buy the sad 980 before I'd buy this airplane, but that's just me. Both are pretty major projects.

[SKYFLYER]

The person listing the aircraft claims he has a firm contract and is pending closing. So I guess it is sold. If it is true that they "toasted" one of the turbines than Morris was not far off at $300k+ and it is in Central America. And I think Don is right about the 980.

[donv]

While I was working out this afternoon, I was watching a house flipping show on HGTV. Maybe they should have that for Commanders?

"Oops! We blew our budget on those fuel cells! But, good news-- they found the engine logs!"

[ghancock]

lol